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GA OIG telephone discussion of my complaints against Gov. Brian Kemp and two sheriffs (storage for book)

January 18, 2023 By D.A. King

 

 

I am grateful to Mr. McAfee for his time and interest in my complaints. Here is a round up of this story and all complaints/responses.

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Email to me, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:22 PM:

“Good afternoon Mr. King,

  I wanted to let you know that I’ve received and reviewed your supplemental complaint. I also forwarded it along to the Deputy AG in charge of investigations with the AG’s Office as you requested. I think it would be more efficient for me to explain my thoughts on this by phone, specifically why I think OIG still lacks a jurisdictional mandate to explore your concerns. Feel free to let me know a good time to call.” (Scott McAfee)

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Audio

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Transcript by Rev.com

D.A. King:

[inaudible 00:00:00] (hello?…)

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

… Mr. King. Hey, Mr. King?

D.A. King:

Yes?

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Hey, this is Scott McAfee with, uh, State OIG. How are you?

D.A. King:

I’m fine, sir. Thank you very much for calling, Mr. McAfee. I appreciate your time.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

No, not at all. Um, and uh, I can tell that you’ve, you’ve put a lot of time and effort into this complaint, and uh, and done a lot of research, which I can certainly appreciate because not all of the complaints we get have that level of detail. Um, so, uh, but I thought that it might be easier for me just to call you and, uh, and talk through some of these things. Um, and, and try to, and try to explain kinda where I’m coming from as I, as I read your complaint. Um, so, you know, as we’ve, as we’ve kinda gone through it before, when it comes to county sheriff’s …

Or, uh, lemme start out at a higher level. So, OIG, um, at, at, in Georgia is actually formed through an executive order that goes way back to, um, Governor Sonny Perdue. And uh, we’ve got it linked on the website if you have any interest whatsoever in reading it, but we only exist in statute. Uh, we’re purely an arm of the governor’s office, uh, with the, with the mandate of, um, prevention of fraud, waste, abuse, and corruption in state government. Uh, specifically the Executive Branch, right?

So that’s where, as a general matter, whenever anyone comes to us, uh, talking about, uh, county sheriffs, county boards of education, county jails, that sort of thing, that’s a pretty clear line in the, uh, in the sand for us where we say, “Look. That’s not our mandate. Uh, we don’t have jurisdiction to get into that. We need to stay in our lane.”

Now, um, I can tell, um … And now, the way you’ve, you’ve put it, uh, and, and, and looked through it, you, you have concerns over how, uh, the governor, and obviously, especially these, uh, these county sheriffs are executing, um … Or administering, uh, the immigration policy and, and some of the statutes concerning that, right?

D.A. King:

Well, no- no- not exactly, and if I may, uh, I appreciate your break.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Sure. No, no, no. Yeah.

D.A. King:

Um, I, I have done a lot of research, but I have a … Uh,  I have what I believe to be be probably a, a, a unique, um, vantage point in all this in that I have been privy to drafting and passing m- m- most, if not … th- … Uh, no, I, I think there’s one I can think of. One of the laws in this state that is aimed at deterring illegal immigration into Georgia, that I didn’t have anything to do with. Other than that, I’m not sure that there is anything that I didn’t have my hand in in some way. It was a OJT kind of…-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Mm-hmm.

D.A. King:

… situation, but I appreciate your notice. Um, I’ve devoted my life to trying to educate people on the dangers of illegal immigration in an effort to honor a, a, a friend’s son who is forever 16 because we don’t do exactly that.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Mm-hmm.

D.A. King:

So, to save you some time, and please know how much I appreciate your time, I am clear on your response about the state, about the county sheriffs being employees of the county and not state officers.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Mm-hmm.

D.A. King:

Um, it’s kind of a, a, a … I regard it as kind of a gray area in that they are their own constitutional office in the state.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Mm-hmm.

D.A. King:

But, I, I, I’m not going there for now. My most recent attempt to get some action from your office was aimed at the current governor, um, being a- a- b- according to their constitutional oath, obviously, he has a duty to make sure all the laws are enforced. The law is pretty clear on, on what the sheriff or any jailer is supposed to do as far as using reasonable effort to determine immigration status and reporting illegal aliens to the feds.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Mm-hmm.

D.A. King:

U- um, that’s not happening. Not only is it not happening, but um, the sheriff in Gwinnett County has told the Associated Press and every reporter he could fit into the room at his, um, swearing in ceremony in January, uh, 1st of 2021 that it, not … He’s not going to do exactly what the law requires.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Mm-hmm.

D.A. King:

So, I’m looking to s- find an agency that will force the governor to honor his oath of office, to go after a sheriff who is in clear violation of state law.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

So, that, I think, maybe where we can, we can really flesh out and, and, and really see, uh, where, I think, we’re gonna fall short, is when you say, “An agency that can,” uh, uh, uh, the words you used were, “to force the governor to follow the law.” Uh, OIG, that is not something that we have the power to do. Um, we, uh …

As I mentioned, there’s about 10 of us here. We have auditors. We have some investigators. Uh, we’re not POST certified. We’re working on that. But we’re not officially a law enforcement agency. Uh, but generally, what we do is we will work up a case. If there’s a criminal element to it, we investigate it, we do interviews, we do a financial analysis. We put together a package, and we give it to the Attorney General’s Office, and we, and we hope that they’ll bring an indictment.

Um, I write some letters if I find, if I find things that I think, um, you know, fall under the waste, fraud, abuse, corruption angle. But in terms of having the legal authority to force, uh, a public official to do anything, that’s, that’s not what, that’s not what we can do. Um, you know?

We … I’ve, I’ve … Certainly, we had issues come up along the way where I, I’ve, I’ve written letters, and I’ve, and I’ve made recommendations. Uh, but other agency heads, and especially elected officials are fully free just to toss it in the trash (laughs) and disregard it. Uh, so if … Uh, you know, when … We can start right there in terms of if, if you’re looking for us to be able to actually force anyone to do anything. That’s just really not in [inaudible 00:05:36] goal.

D.A. King:

No, I … That was clear, and I me- … I, I understand that. Um, you told me a couple of things I did not know there, so, uh, uh, I, I, I think I get it, and I … I’m … I’m trying to go down the line to find somebody who has, A, the, the authority, and B, the honor to get the laws enforced that I’ve worked for 18 years to put on the books. That’s kind of the short version. But-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah. And, and I’m not, and I’m not trying to downplay the work you’ve put into it, or the, uh, you know, the, the righteousness of your cause as you see. Uh, my, my point is simply that, you know, the, the, the structural, uh, s- system as it stands, um, you’re gonna be facing a very, very tall order. Um, you know, uh, I … It reminds me a lot of, um … You know, there’s a whole line of Supreme Court cases about, uh, redistricting, and whether the Supreme Court can step in and … into gerrymandering, right? And the Supreme Court has come out and said, “Well, that’s essentially a political question,” and if it’s a political question, they have a doctrine where they’re just not gonna get into it, and they say, “We’re gonna leave that up to the general assembly and the voters.” And they don’t step into it.

And I think what you’re gonna find as you, as you explore this issue with other folks is that, in the Constitution, yes, you’re right. You absolutely quoted it, “The faithful execution of the laws,” but there’s a lot of discretion about how one actually goes about doing that. And I, I, I mean, ultimately, I think you’re gonna find that even, uh, a court’s not gonna be willing to step in and say, “No. This is how you should be doing it, Governor.” Or, um, you know, an agency isn’t gonna have that ability. And … Yo- you know?

So, I think it’s ultimately gonna come down to a political questions, and that’s, uh, and that’s one where it’s … You have to get, uh, public opinion, and um, and the, and the voters involved if you wanna see change on that.

D.A. King:

Well, I-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

That’s just my … That’s, that’s my two cents, anyway. [inaudible 00:07:29]

D.A. King:

No, no. I, I, I … And I’m grateful for it. I … Just an observation, it’s nothing to do with, with your office. It’s just two guys talking on this next sentence, and that is, it is impossible to get a public opinion on your side when the media, um, is diligent in their effort-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah.

D.A. King:

… to prevent the public from knowing anything about what you and I are discussing right now.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Mm-hmm.

D.A. King:

That’s neither here nor there for you. I understand. I just had to say it. So-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Well, no. I mean, I can, I can, I can certainly sympathize with, uh, with frustration (laughs) with media coverage. I, I, I hear you. I know it can feel like an uphill battle just about every day on that.

D.A. King:

Okay. So … I, and I, I’m, I’m assuming that when I speak to other … When I speak to law enforcement they’re, the … They’re not authorized or they refuse or they’re not able, however it’s phrased, to offer legal advice.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Mm-hmm.

D.A. King:

So, you can answer my question, my next question like that, and I will understand, but-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

(laughs) Oh, no. You’re [inaudible 00:08:23]

D.A. King:

… if, if you were me-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah. (laughs)

D.A. King:

… what would you do to try to find anybody with authority to force the Governor of Georgia to obey his oath of office when people are literally being murdered, raped, and killed on this?

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah. Right. I mean, when you say … A- a- again, it’s, it’s … When you’re ta- when you’re wanting to see the change being … The governor of a state is a very powerful individual, uh, with a lot of, uh, you know, authority and discretion. Um, to force him to do anything, I, I, I am not aware of any le- legal avenue for that to happen through a mandate. I think the only way, in my mind, for you to get what you want as you’ve outlined in your complaint is gonna be at the ballot box or it’s gonna be through the general assembly.

It’s gonna be through the political process. That’s, that’s, that’s my take on it, ’cause I don’t, I, I, I’m not aware of any legal remedy, personally, or any other one through state government.

D.A. King:

Okay.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

That is just [inaudible 00:09:28] for you.

D.A. King:

I, I, I appreciate that. I’ve, I’ve kinda deduced that.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah.

D.A. King:

I was hoping maybe you had lift- … You could lift the veil on something I wasn’t aware of.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah.

D.A. King:

What about the same question as applied to the sheriff of Gwinnett? I have seen news reports-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Hm.

D.A. King:

… and legal documents in which the, the, a sitting governor of Georgia has, has suspended a sheriff after charges-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah.

D.A. King:

… were leveled at that sheriff for violation of his oath of office.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Well, it reminds me … Um, didn’t we just see, uh, Governor DeSantis do that to a district attorney down in Florida, right? F- … Uh, and that one ha- happened to be about … What was it? Marijuana prosecutions, or maybe it was abortion prosecutions? I forget exactly. Uh, but that’s, that’s what it reminds me of is, is, um, the Governor of Florida stepped in and removed a county official through statutes that he had at his disposal.

I don’t know if any of those are … carry over into Georgia, uh [inaudible 00:10:21]

D.A. King:

Well, yes, sir. But I, I, what … My, my example was in, in, was in Georgia.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah, yeah.

D.A. King:

Geor- Georgia governors have, have relieved Georgia sheriffs of their duties because they have been-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah.

D.A. King:

… charged with something. I can’t find anybody to even charge the sheriff with anything.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, now, now I know that, that if, if, if the, if the sheriffs are actually charged with a crime, then, yes. Absolutely. The … And a statute kicks into effect where they, they are removed, and the governor does that routinely. Um, so, I guess to that point, if you think you can make a, uh, criminal case out of this, um, then that’s how they would be removed from office.

I don’t know if there’s a … What I don’t know about is if there’s discretionary mechanism where he can do it absent a criminal case if you, if you catch my drift. Um, but if you’re looking for a, uh … You know, the automatic removable that’s triggered by an indictment, uh, yeah. That’s, that’s absolutely on the books, and the people who could bring an indictment against the county sheriff are gonna be either the, uh, County District Attorney, um, it’s gonna be the Attorney General, or it’s gonna be the US Attorney.

And um, I think, again, just, um … My own personal assessment is I doubt you’re gonna get much of a consideration from, uh … I think the only person who might be willing to review the complaint would be the Attorney Generals Office. That’s just my-

D.A. King:

Hm. That’s bad news for me. But I, I-

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah. That’s just my own assessment, but …

D.A. King:

I, I, I, I appreciate that very much. Um, okay. To … Uh, uh, one more time, thank you very much for your courtesy and your time. Please know that having been involved in the politics Under the Gold Dome and in Georgia for as long as I have, I am not only grateful for what you’re saying, but very, very unsurprised. (laughs)

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

Yeah. Well, look, I always … Look. I always respect the passion. So, um, I don’t, I don’t know if we’d always see eye-to-eye on every issue, but I’m certainly willing to, to, to give you my, my thoughts on it. My, um, I … You know. I’m always glad to hear of someone thinking of OIG whether it’s the right case for us or not. So, um, best of luck to you, all right?

D.A. King:

Thank you very much.

GA OIG Scott McAfee:

All right. Take care.

D.A. King:

You too.

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Cole Muzio and “school choice” on the Martha Zoller Show, August, 2022 Audio link

December 29, 2022 By D.A. King

 

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Fast Fact: Germany: High migration intake – low availability of qualified workers

December 14, 2022 By D.A. King

 

“Official data show that only about a third of the roughly 800,000 working-age Syrians and Afghans in Germany have a taxpaying job, compared with two thirds of Germans.”

Wall St. Journal

By Tom Fairless
Dec. 12, 2022

Germany Is Short of Workers, but Its Migrants Are Struggling to Find Jobs

A magnet for asylum seekers, the country isn’t attracting enough qualified newcomers and is struggling to train the new arrivals

KASSEL, Germany—In 2016, as Middle Eastern refugees fled to Germany in their hundreds of thousands, Ingo Neupert decided to help.

A professor of social work, he started a training program in western Germany for 25 young refugees to become nurses and medical assistants.

Only three of them graduated from the 4½ year program, Mr. Neupert said. In a second, shorter program, about one-third of the candidates reached the end. The project is now on hold, according to Essen University Hospital, western Germany, where it took place.

Germany faces a paradox: After years of record immigration that has seen the equivalent of the population of a large city arrive in the country every year, one in six people in Germany was now born overseas, compared with one in seven in the U.S. 


But unlike the U.S., Germany is failing to find work for the newcomers despite a worsening labor shortage that is stifling economic growth. Europe’s largest economy will in addition need to fill about seven million jobs by 2035 as older workers retire, economists estimate.

Experts have long pointed to immigration as the solution, saying Germany needs some 400,000 skilled immigrants each year.

So far, the current mix of immigrants isn’t filling the gap. Official data show that only about a third of the roughly 800,000 working-age Syrians and Afghans in Germany have a taxpaying job, compared with two thirds of Germans, even though most arrived over five years ago. Unemployment among foreigners is about 12%, and under 5% for Germans. In the U.S., foreigners are more likely to have jobs than locals.

The main problem: Many refugees are poorly suited for jobs in Germany’s highly skilled labor market and Germany hasn’t been very good at training them… more here.

 

 

 

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Corey DeAngelis CATO Open borders HB 999 HB 60 2022

February 16, 2022 By D.A. King

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Rep Wes Cantrell on the radio Re: HB 999/HB 60 Feb 4, 2022 Martha Zoller show WDUN

February 10, 2022 By D.A. King

Rep Wes Cantrell, Republican, Woodstock
https://immigrationpoliticsga.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Wes-Cantrell-on-Martha-Zoller-Feb-4-2022.m4a

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Rep Wes Cantrell on Twitter HB 999

February 5, 2022 By D.A. King

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An informed caller asks Erick Erickson to explain that HB 999 will create a program in which the state would make payments to illegal alien students

January 28, 2022 By D.A. King

Erick Erickson. Photo: Wikipedia.

Jan 28, 2022 1:25-ish.

Erick Erickson radio show on the topic of his promotion of HB 999.

The caller
https://immigrationpoliticsga.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/DA-King-erick-e-28-Jan-22-56-seconds.m4a

 

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Erick Erickson on his national radio show today promoting HB 999

January 28, 2022 By D.A. King

Here are the contents of HB 999 – payments to illegal alien students with oversight by illegal alien parents/guardians/custodians included. What could go wrong?

Erick Erickson. Photo: Wikipedia.

 

https://immigrationpoliticsga.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Erick-Erickson-28-Jan-2022-HB999.m4a

 

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Rep Wes Cantrell denies my request to offer reality-based input into House Committee on Innovative Ways to Maximize Global Talent

August 24, 2021 By D.A. King

Rep Wes Cantrell, Republican, Woodstock

 

Email reply to my request to offer realistic input in Rep Cantrell’s House committee. Like the committee’s choice of “experts” the reply itself is separated from reality

 

Mr. King,

Thank you for your email.
Our study committee has a very tight agenda in order to hear from as many people as possible. We have determined to hold public comment until after our report is drawn up. If any legislation is proposed as a result of our hearings, there will be time for ample public comment.
We are focused on identifying any unnecessary barriers that foreign born Georgians may have in finding meaningful employment. We will primarily be hearing from people who believe they have experienced one or more of these barriers.
I’m sure the committee would welcome any written input you would like to provide.
Very Respectfully,
Wes Cantrell

 

 

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January 3, 2021 By D.A. King

Announcing the new Dustin Inman Society website
It took almost two years of part time work as donated funds became available, but the Dustin Inman Society finally has a new website. We hope you will take a look when you have time and visit often. It will be updated regularly.

As Georgia’s only activist pro-enforcement group, we are proud of the difference we have made since 2005 and that the vast, corporate-funded illegal alien lobby cannot control or conceal their hate for us.

The new DIS blog is on our homepage

The current top story on the DIS blog is the fact that longstanding Georgia law requires jailers to report illegal aliens to federal enforcement officials. Don’t be surprised that this fact has not been in “the news” – but that the liberal media is thrilled to report that incoming sheriffs in Gwinnett and Cobb Counties have promised not to report illegals to ICE.

“What we will not be doing is notifying ICE of anybody’s immigration status in the jail or any of our facilities,” announced Gwinnett Sheriff Kebo Taylor January 1st.

We will be asking for your help with phone calls and emails to push Georgia officials to enforce the law – even for Democrat Georgia sheriffs. As we have written, with more illegal aliens than Arizona Georgia is a now a much more dangerous place since the November elections.

If you are not already on our email list, please see the sign up page.

Also on the new DIS blog:

You can also see a recent news story in the Washington Times featuring the Dustin Inman Society and an analysis/opinion response from us.

We have spent countless hours researching compliance with Georgia’s 2011 law requiring most private employers to use the E-Verify program. Please see the media release that went out from here outlining the compliant we filed against the City of Dalton and a state Rep business owner who appears to have filed false documents on compliance. We do not expect news coverage or an official investigation.

The new website was created with donations and the hope that we can save some lives and maybe even the rule of law here in Republican-ruled Georgia. We are sorry to say that chances are not good. Don’t miss the Governor Brian Kemp page.

We wish you a Happy New Year.

 

 

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